[e2e] traffic engineering considered harmful
rmm1002 at cam.ac.uk
Thu Jun 14 03:29:11 PDT 2001
"David P. Reed" <dpreed at reed.com> writes:
> At 05:01 PM 6/13/01 +0100, Panos GEVROS wrote:
> >"David P. Reed" typed :
> > Economic history is
> > |littered with ventures that lost dominance because they loved control too
> > |much. Look at GM, Xerox, Kodak, France.
> >of course this applies to endpoints and "intermediaries" alike.
> >(especially when the first dogmatically refuse to surrender -some- the
> >(freedom of action) the posses in the original Internet architecture)
> If there were (or ever was) one or more "United Endpoints" that exerted
> control, I'd be more sympathetic to this point. But it seems like a clever
The IETF as candidate for such a "united endpoint"?
(Ok, so I'm trolling slightly there :-)
On a more serious note, and I've probably just missed/forgotten this
from earlier discussions, how exactly (both as someone sitting outside
the network, and as a user of the network) should I differentiate
between an endpoint, an intermediary and a router?
> A category is quite different from an organized economic actor.
> Endpoints seem to be being asked, as a class, to give up freedom of action
> for no benefits whatsoever. Did they do anything to harm (economically)
> the ISPs that grew rich by making them happy?
Is that relevant?
If the ISPs _already_ have the ability to install intermediaries,
_and_ they believe doing so will give them some form of economic
benefit, it seems entirely rational for them to go ahead and install
them. No-one is "asking" endpoints anything (and why should they?) --
those who own the resource that the endpoints choose to buy are
administering it as they see fit, presumably to maximise their
(ie. the ISP's) benefit.
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