[e2e] About the primitives and their value

Pekka Nikander pekka.nikander at nomadiclab.com
Tue Aug 15 21:30:33 PDT 2006

> The key is what the problem is:
> 	1- shedding unsolicited load per se
> 	2- shedding load at underpowered places
> 	3- reducing the incentive to attack

Ok, I finally got your point of view, thanks.  Sorry for my  

> Addressing 1 also addresses 2 and 3.

I think the relationship between 1 and 3 is much more complex,  
working in both directions.

Your focus seems to be in 1, with the intention of thereby working  
out 3.  My focus (at least for the purposes of this discussion) has  
been in looking at the fundamental architectural primitives, with the  
intention of changing the economic game that affects 3, which in turn  
would reduce the need for 1.

To me, your approach seems to be very appropriate for the short-to- 
medium term, solving the practical problems.  OTOH, as you stated  
yourself, it has its limitations; I'm afraid that given the current  
game created by the current Internet primitives, the situation is  
unlikely to improve dramatically.  But we can probably live with the  
resulting rat run between the bad guys and good guys, just as we have  
been doing for the past 10-15 years.

My alleged approach, if doable in the first place, might help in the  
longer run.  However, I can't tell whether it would work in the first  
place at all; it's too early.  Hence, at the time being it seems like  
a very interesting research direction, gaining some attention among  
some people planning to work under the auspices of NSF FIND, GENI,  
and CEC FP7.


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