[e2e] end of interest

Jon Crowcroft Jon.Crowcroft at cl.cam.ac.uk
Sat May 10 01:52:58 PDT 2008

IEN 1 has some discussion of isarythmic flow control - this applies 
quite well to aggregated traffic without source attribution

In missive <a06240811c44a4fcb7a70@[]>, John Day typed:

 >>>a paper that landed on my desk from the sigcomm 2009 rejection heap
 >>>entitled "Endless Arguments in Systems Design" has some nice protocol
 >>>fragments based around a new taxonomy of nodes in the graph
 >>>rather than host + router + middle box,
 >>>(or end- and intermediate- system as ISO used to term them)
 >>>we only have 1 type of node (lets call it a synch)
 >>>instead of 1-1, 1-n, and n-1 communication,
 >>>we have 0-n and n-0 communication
 >>>the zero indicates uncertainty about the eventual recipient
 >>>(or the antideluvian originator)
 >>>of course, a sequence of 0-n, n-0
 >>>patterns can be constructed indicating cascades or swarms
 >>>and possible aggregation and disaggregation of content.
 >>Isn't this just a datagram or maybe a multicast datagram?
 >>>interesting questions arise about
 >>>reliability, flow, and congestion control
 >>>in such a system - using the famous arguments
 >>>in their truest sense from that old paper
 >>>from which this august list may take its marching orders,
 >>>is quite tricky...
 >>This begins to sound like purposely constructing a convoluted 
 >>situation so there is something to solve rather than simply adopting 
 >>the straightforward solution.  Have we really come to this?
 >>Perhaps Stoppard's Guildenstern (as opposed to Shakespeare's) would 
 >>have an answer to that sort of question: how to do feedback with an 
 >>uncertain source.  Lets see, "I am getting these feedback control 
 >>messages but I am not sure where they are coming from . . ."  ;-)
 >>But then that has to be more fun than solving the long standing 
 >>problems that might require some hard thinking.  What was it that 
 >>Ford Prefect said?
 >>Take care,



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