[e2e] a means to an end

David P. Reed dpreed at reed.com
Thu Nov 6 14:02:31 PST 2008

Fred - I have nothing against you, and nothing against Cisco or the 
IETF.  I apologize for any bad feelings that seemed to be directed 
against persons or institutions.  I was reacting to the *idea* that IETF 
RFC's or the Internet as built (mostly out of Cisco routers) is somehow 
the "right" answer, or that studying either of them answers the 
discussion Crowcroft started.

Generally, I react sarcastically to citations of holy writ - and your 
note cited about 5 RFCs by number - when involved in a conversation that 
started out focusing on addressing in general, and my seriously meant 
question in regard to the role "location" need play in end-to-end 
communications function.

I admire and respect the IETF, Cisco, and Fred Baker.  Always have.

Fred Baker wrote:
> On Nov 6, 2008, at 1:29 PM, David P. Reed wrote:
>> OK, OK. that's not communications - because only the holy scripture 
>> of the Cisco router defines "real" communications.  :-)  They have a 
>> patent on it, which they license to their IETF.
> Some day I'll figure out what you have against Cisco, the IETF, or me. 
> It seems that we can't engage in a simple conversation without a barb 
> from you.
> Until I do, I'm going to leave this on the table. I'll ask you to do 
> the same.

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