[e2e] Discrete IP
pars.mutaf at gmail.com
Wed Sep 12 22:38:37 PDT 2012
One point to my previous message:
I don't have to use tunnel brokers to reach IPv6 hosts. (btw, the paying a
tunneling cost for every packet doesn't seem like a good idea)
I don't want to care which IP the destination uses.
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 7:38 AM, Pars Mutaf <pars.mutaf at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
> China has IPv6 for example but I cannot talk to them.
> I don't have to install IPv6 to talk to them. If one day someone uses IPv7
> (it is their right), I don't have to install IPv7.
> The fact that there is a version field doesn't mean that all versions are
> On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 12:29 AM, Lachlan Andrew <lachlan.andrew at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>> Greetings Pars,
>> I think that what you are describing is actually the way the Internet
>> works. The "version" field in the IP header allows different users to
>> run different versions over the same network.
>> The IETF does not, and cannot, mandate that people use IPv6; that is
>> why most people still do not use it.
>> The reason that the routers need to be changed is that the process of
>> routing requires them to know the address the packet is being sent to.
>> The way this address is represented depends on the version of IP, and
>> so whatever version of IP is used must be supported by (some of) the
>> I hope this removes some confusion.
>> On 12 September 2012 18:06, Pars Mutaf <pars.mutaf at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Dear colleagues,
>> > I believe that the next step in IP's evolution would not be IPv6. It
>> > be "Discrete IP" allowing any IP version.
>> > I concluded that Discrete IP better respects the end-to-end principles
>> > therefore it is economically more viable.
>> > -I propose that we do not touch the core Internet, i.e. enforce the
>> > modification of all Internet routers.
>> > -People should be free to choose the IP version that they wish because
>> > deciding for others is a technology blocker. IETF designs IPv6, IETF
>> > its development. Because IETF does not give freedom of choice. This is
>> > normal. Some entities may use IPv6 others IPv4 yet others IPv7 for
>> > reasons. Everybody may agree on IPv6, or not. We do not know. We do not
>> > to.
>> > -To give such freedom of choice, we need to change the end-nodes, for
>> > example TCP.
>> > -This is the end-to-end principle.
>> > Here is a picture (in this picture we have a network of Internets
>> > random IP versions):
>> > The question is:
>> > ***Would this be the ideal for the Internet? Please discuss this
>> > without entering in design challenges.***
>> > For more information, see my unpublished paper:
>> > http://www.scribd.com/doc/105448105/Discrete-IP
>> > Cheers,
>> > Pars
>> Lachlan Andrew Centre for Advanced Internet Architectures (CAIA)
>> Swinburne University of Technology, Melbourne, Australia
>> Ph +61 3 9214 4837
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