[e2e] Discrete IP

[Pars Mutaf]

On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Detlef Bosau <detlef.bosau at web.de> wrote:

> On 09/15/2012 06:52 AM, Pars Mutaf wrote:
>
>> Hi Detlef,
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 2:35 AM, Detlef Bosau <detlef.bosau at web.de<mailto:
>> detlef.bosau at web.de>> wrote:
>>
>>     On 09/13/2012 06:38 AM, Pars Mutaf wrote:
>>
>>         Hi Andrew,
>>
>>         China has IPv6 for example but I cannot talk to them.
>>         I don't have to install IPv6 to talk to them. If one day
>>         someone uses IPv7 (it is their right), I don't have to install
>>         IPv7.
>>         The fact that there is a version field doesn't mean that all
>>         versions are supported.
>>
>>
>>     I think, you miss two basic points.
>>
>>     First: There is no such thing as "the" end to end principle.
>>     Particularly, Internet communication is nothing which happens
>>     between the communication end points and only there, but most of
>>     the work is done at the nodes in between.
>>
>>
>>
>> This contradicts what you say below. Below you say that you want to avoid
>> this complexity. Here you say that this the way it is. So I don't
>> understand you message.
>>
>>
>
> I don't see a contradiction here. Avoiding complexity does not mean that
> complexity does not exist.
>
> End nodes hardly have to deal with packets. Every now and then, there is a
> packet to be sent or to be received. So, end nodes have any time they want
> to inspect packets, to interpret them, whatever they want. Routers in the
> middle miss this privilege. They may be offered up to millions of packets
> each and every second. So, the effort spent for serving a single packet
> must be kept as small as possible.
>
> And of course, there is a huge difference between a core router in the
> tier 1 backbone, which has to deal with huge amounts of data, and a simple
> soho-box which may well play around with NAT and congestion management and
> queue management and all these funny little things which PhD students
> change the world with, without being noticed by the latter.
>
> Hence, although the IETF cannot make the world run IPv6, our common
> interest is to switch over to one common protocol in the internet. At least
> for the tier 1 backbone or other extremely busy parts of the Internet.
>


Your mistake here is the illusion that you can take this decision for
others.
For example me, I want to use IPv9 in my country and for this I am ready to
pay the following processing cost for each packet:

IPv4 packet comes in.
I remove the header.
I replace it with a IPv9 header.
I route the packet.
(and vice versa)

Details are in the paper (presented in the original post). This is just an
example of what I want to do... Who can say no and why?





>
>>
>>     Second: The Internet is an overlay network by design. We want ONE
>>     common protocol which is supported by all nodes connected to this
>>     overlay network. Particularly, it shall not be the intention of
>>     the Internet to run several protocols in parallel. Nevertheless,
>>     this happened in the past, happens in the present and is expected
>>     to happen in the future, however it is not the basic intention.
>>     The more protocols you run in parallel, the more complex your
>>     intermediate nodes, which do all the routing work, will be. And
>>     it's certainly not our goal to make thinks unnecessarily complex.
>>
>>
>> What do you mean by "parallel"? Why do you assume that the protocols will
>> be run in "parallel?"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     DB
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