[e2e] About email domains
Jon Crowcroft
Jon.Crowcroft at cl.cam.ac.uk
Sun Sep 16 04:34:58 PDT 2012
anyone has the right to filter email - we all have work to do and have
to maximise signal-to-noise ratio -I'm leaving this list again because
there's too much meta-discussion and not enough concrete technical
material that;s the ultimate way I can filter out stuff, but frankly,
I think the fair thing to do would be have an exam you have to pass
before you're to use the resources of all the people on large mail lists
it isn't free to send, its just the sender doesn't pay,
the receivers do with their time. as with IP in the network layer.
a design flaw imho
In missive <CACQuieb3P6oN6XtWd=gXw1mnn2dJgMXhrx2a7sQVkz7L34fong at mail.gmail.com>
, Pars Mutaf typed:
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>>Real problem is: Who thinks that he has the right to filter email to an
>>organization designing the Internet.
>>
>>as if Internet belonged to you ...
>>
>>On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Michael Welzl <michawe at ifi.uio.no> wrote:
>>
>>> So I changed the subject, to match -
>>>
>>> I wanted to add, to that: I once had a research project with partners in
>>> China. We wanted to use such a policy for our own lists, but soon gave up
>>> because we found that many of our Chinese partners use such email domains
>>> *to get their mails across*. That is, they found emails from their official
>>> affiliation address to often be killed by spam filters or whatnot. And the
>>> domains included a big company and a big University.
>>>
>>> Thus, I think that such filtering would clearly be unacceptable.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 16, 2012, at 8:15 AM, Pars Mutaf wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Ross,
>>>>
>>>> This is off topic no?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Ross Finlayson <finlayson at live555.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> > Even better, perhaps professional mailing
>>>>>> lists like this should start
>>>>>> > rejecting postings from 'hobbyist' email
>>>>>> addresses ("@gmail.com",
>>>>>> > "@yahoo.com", etc.)...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sigh, much as I basically agree with you, a number of our
>>>>>> serious contributors
>>>>>> also use gmail, etc, these days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not to mention the PhD students who wouldn't like to be excluded ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do these PhD students' schools not have their own domain name? :-)
>>>>
>>>> Note that it's possible to let gmail manage email to/from addresses that
>>>> use other domain names. See:http://productforums.**
>>>> google.com/forum/#!topic/**gmail/tEaJstfhzeI<http://productforums.google.com/forum/#%21topic/gmail/tEaJstfhzeI>
>>>>
>>>> The problem is not the 'gmail' service per se (provided that you don't
>>>> mind your email being scanned :-). The problem is the "@gmail.com"
>>>> email address suffix, which advertises to the world that you're not
>>>> particularly relevant. (Ditto for "@yahoo.com", "@hotmail.com", "@
>>>> aol.com" addresses, etc.)
>>>>
>>>> Ross.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> http://www.content-based-**science.org<http://www.content-based-science.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>http://www.content-based-science.org
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>>Real problem is: Who thinks that he has the right to filter email to an org=
>>anization designing the Internet. <br><br>as if Internet belonged to you ..=
>>. <br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Mich=
>>ael Welzl <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:michawe at ifi.uio.no" targe=
>>t=3D"_blank">michawe at ifi.uio.no</a>></span> wrote:<br>
>><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
>>x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">So I changed the subject, to match -<br>
>><br>
>>I wanted to add, to that: I once had a research project with partners in Ch=
>>ina. We wanted to use such a policy for our own lists, but soon gave up bec=
>>ause we found that many of our Chinese partners use such email domains *to =
>>get their mails across*. That is, they found emails from their official aff=
>>iliation address to often be killed by spam filters or whatnot. And the dom=
>>ains included a big company and a big University.<br>
>>
>><br>
>>Thus, I think that such filtering would clearly be unacceptable.<br>
>><br>
>>Cheers,<br>
>>Michael<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>On Sep 16, 2012, at 8:15 AM, Pars Mutaf wrote:<br>
>><br>
>><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
>>x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
>>Hi Ross,<br>
>><br>
>>This is off topic no?<br>
>><br>
>>Thanks,<br>
>><br>
>>On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Ross Finlayson <<a href=3D"mailto:finla=
>>yson at live555.com" target=3D"_blank">finlayson at live555.com</a>> wrote:<br=
>>>
>><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
>>x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
>>argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
>>=A0 =A0 > Even better, perhaps professional mailing<br>
>>lists like this should start<br>
>>=A0 =A0 > rejecting postings from 'hobbyist' email<br>
>>addresses ("@<a href=3D"http://gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gmail.com<=
>>/a>",<br>
>>=A0 =A0 > "@<a href=3D"http://yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">yahoo.co=
>>m</a>", etc.)...<br>
>><br>
>>Sigh, much as I basically agree with you, a number of our<br>
>>serious contributors<br>
>>also use gmail, etc, these days.<br>
>><br>
>></blockquote>
>>Not to mention the PhD students who wouldn't like to be excluded ;-)<br=
>>>
>></blockquote>
>><br>
>>Do these PhD students' schools not have their own domain name? :-)<br>
>><br>
>>Note that it's possible to let gmail manage email to/from addresses tha=
>>t use other domain names. =A0See:<a href=3D"http://productforums.google.com=
>>/forum/#%21topic/gmail/tEaJstfhzeI" target=3D"_blank">http://productforums.=
>><u></u>google.com/forum/#!topic/<u></u>gmail/tEaJstfhzeI</a><br>
>>
>><br>
>>The problem is not the 'gmail' service per se (provided that you do=
>>n't mind your email being scanned :-). =A0The problem is the "@<a =
>>href=3D"http://gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gmail.com</a>" email addre=
>>ss suffix, which advertises to the world that you're not particularly r=
>>elevant. =A0(Ditto for "@<a href=3D"http://yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank=
>>">yahoo.com</a>", "@<a href=3D"http://hotmail.com" target=3D"_bla=
>>nk">hotmail.com</a>", "@<a href=3D"http://aol.com" target=3D"_bla=
>>nk">aol.com</a>" addresses, etc.)<br>
>>
>><br>
>>Ross.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">
>><br>
>>-- <br>
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>>ww.content-based-<u></u>science.org</a><br>
>><br>
>></font></span></blockquote>
>><br>
>></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><a href=3D"http://www.c=
>>ontent-based-science.org" target=3D"_blank">http://www.content-based-scienc=
>>e.org</a><br><br>
>>
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cheers
jon
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