[e2e] Discrete IP - retake

Pars Mutaf pars.mutaf at gmail.com
Wed Sep 19 04:13:10 PDT 2012

On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Michael Welzl <michawe at ifi.uio.no> wrote:

> +1
> btw, about the balloon-vs-MANETs example in ad hoc networks that you
> pointed to: this may in fact not be so far off for some situations, it
> reminds me of mobile sinks in WSNs (yes, again, other people had similar
> ideas already). the right thing to do would be to build it and
> systematically evaluate it against various scenarios of MANETs, if you want
> to make the point that MANETs are useless. indeed, you might then find that
> MANETs could often be replaced with a balloon. neat idea, and a nice result
> worth publishing, once it's done.
No it is not worth publishing. Why publish? This is not even science.

Another solution:
I can for example drop 100s satellite phones, food, and water from an
airplane. Why MANET? I will propose this to a conference? This is not even

MANET doesn't work for isolated victims not in reach of others = MANET
doesn't work.

> (though, people have given you counterexamples on that other list - you
> won't ALWAYS be able to replace a MANET that way; i would say that the
> world isn't as black and white as you describe it)
> On 19. sep. 2012, at 11:16, Laurent Mathy wrote:
> >
> >> Thank you all for all these information. I have unfortunately no more
> >> faith in this kind of research. This is my personal opinion of course.
> >
> > What you have faith in is not the issue. However, systematically
> shooting down people who have invested some of their precious time
> entertaining the discussion you started, and telling them that their
> methods are no good and work irrelevant is at best not conducive to
> constructive interactions and at worst down right awful etiquette.
> >
> > My guess is that it is now time you ask yourself whether you really want
> to have discussion or just keep talking out people...
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Laurent
> >

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