[e2e] a new IRTF group on Transport Models
lynne at telemuse.net
Mon Jun 13 11:58:36 PDT 2005
I'm sure we are all very pleased that Vint and Bob have been honored with the Turing Award this year. They both deserve it - their work has changed our world!
Congratulations Vint and Bob!
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:end2end-interest-bounces at postel.org]On Behalf Of Cannara
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:36 AM
> To: end2end-interest at postel.org
> Subject: Re: [e2e] a new IRTF group on Transport Models
> Bob, as you and anyone can tell from the archives on this list, I
> and others
> have made positive suggestions for specific changes to both TCP and IP to
> improve matters. However, even those submitting good papers have met with
> varying degrees of stonewalling. So, the TCP/IP bureacracy now
> functions as
> does any that has long lost its enthusiastic founders.
> Indeed Bob Kahn deserves an award, since it was he who assured continued
> funding when folks in Washington were getting tired. Vint Cerf surely
> deserves something too, since he made honest comments lamenting
> the failure to
> continue protocol research, rather than stop esssentially where
> we are. So,
> my comments are intended to encourage movement beyond the
> existence proof that
> today's Internet protocols are, into something more
> professionally developed
> and maturing. It's worth noting that the biggest movers on
> Internet, both in
> terms of traffic and users, are based on non-IETF developments.
> Bob Braden wrote:
> > At 04:57 PM 6/11/2005 -0700, Cannara wrote:
> > >Cool Ted! And now maybe I've learned why the all the Apple
> Lisa's on the show
> > >network, when they were introduced in SF, locked up when I accidentally
> > >brushed my palm across one's keyboard, while reaching for a brochure!
> > >Fortunately, Jobs was right there to chew out their tech crew,
> when all that
> > >could get things working again was a full power cycle.
> > >
> > >Hey, maybe we could arrange the same fate for TCP as the Lisa
> had? Oops, I
> > >didn't say that. :]
> > >
> > >Alex
> > Alex,
> > You are lapsing into adoselcent mode (again). If you have a real,
> > well-thought-out
> > proposal for architecture and protocols to replace the Internet
> > please
> > send us a pointer to your paper on the subject. A technical
> discussion of an
> > alternate architectural approach would be a good use of this
> list. Siimply
> > hurling
> > innuendos against TCP is boring, unproductive, and
> unacceptable. Cynicism
> > is not a
> > substitute for technical depth.
> > BTW, don''t forget to tell the ACM that they made a terrible mistake in
> > giving the
> > Turing Award to Bob Kahn and Vint Cerf, in San Francisco last evening.
> > Bob Braden
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