[e2e] end of interest

James Kempf kempf at docomolabs-usa.com
Mon Apr 21 12:28:33 PDT 2008


Actually, if you know of any blogs that are discussing this kind of stuff, 
I'd love to hear about them. I did a Google search for blogs on clean slate 
Internet design and it came up negative, which is why I started mine. Most 
of the blogs in network technology areas I've been able to find are either 
on security related topics (like Bruce Schneier's excellent blog) or reviews 
of new gadgets and breathless anticipation of Apple's next iPhone release.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Amr A. Awadallah" <aaa at cs.stanford.edu>
To: "James Kempf" <kempf at docomolabs-usa.com>
Cc: "Jon Crowcroft" <Jon.Crowcroft at cl.cam.ac.uk>; "Saikat Guha" 
<saikat at cs.cornell.edu>; <end2end-interest at postel.org>
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [e2e] end of interest

> My blog post this week discusses this more and the connection with
end-to-end (http://cleanslate-internet.blogspot.com

this is the reason why e2e (as a mailing list) is dieing, we are just
reading/commenting to our blogs instead :)

-- amr

James Kempf wrote:
>> the value of the net to users is that it connects them to content.
>> the network providers
>> are in the business of taking a fraction of the business that the
>> content providers are in
>> ...
> If you look at any of the research on networks, most researchers agree
> that the value of the network is in connectivity. There's arguments
> about whether the value scales as O( n**2  ) via Metcalfe's Law or
> something more like O( n log(n)  ) which Briscoe, Odlyzko, and Tilly
> claim.  But nobody claims that the value of networks is in the bandwidth.
> Last time I looked, network providers weren't charging for
> connectivity, they were charging for bandwidth. Google makes tons of
> money off of small text ads that use almost no bandwidth but cash in
> from free connectivity. Network providers are forced to give away
> connectivity because the Internet architecture provides no way for
> them to charge for it. Not a particularly good business when you are
> forced to give away what is of value and charge for what isn't.
> My blog post this week discusses this more and the connection with
> end-to-end (http://cleanslate-internet.blogspot.com).
>                     jak

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