[e2e] end of interest

Debo Dutta (dedutta) dedutta at cisco.com
Mon Apr 21 13:27:53 PDT 2008

Maybe we should have a e2e blog and/or a e2e wiki with write access to
all e2e members :) Or have a e2e group on facebook ..... :)


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From: end2end-interest-bounces at postel.org
[mailto:end2end-interest-bounces at postel.org] On Behalf Of Amr A.
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:19 AM
To: James Kempf
Cc: Jon Crowcroft; end2end-interest at postel.org
Subject: Re: [e2e] end of interest

 > My blog post this week discusses this more and the connection with
end-to-end (http://cleanslate-internet.blogspot.com

this is the reason why e2e (as a mailing list) is dieing, we are just
reading/commenting to our blogs instead :)

-- amr

James Kempf wrote:
>> the value of the net to users is that it connects them to content. 
>> the network providers
>> are in the business of taking a fraction of the business that the 
>> content providers are in ...
> If you look at any of the research on networks, most researchers agree

> that the value of the network is in connectivity. There's arguments 
> about whether the value scales as O( n**2  ) via Metcalfe's Law or 
> something more like O( n log(n)  ) which Briscoe, Odlyzko, and Tilly 
> claim.  But nobody claims that the value of networks is in the
> Last time I looked, network providers weren't charging for 
> connectivity, they were charging for bandwidth. Google makes tons of 
> money off of small text ads that use almost no bandwidth but cash in 
> from free connectivity. Network providers are forced to give away 
> connectivity because the Internet architecture provides no way for 
> them to charge for it. Not a particularly good business when you are 
> forced to give away what is of value and charge for what isn't.
> My blog post this week discusses this more and the connection with 
> end-to-end (http://cleanslate-internet.blogspot.com).
>                     jak

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