[e2e] Are we doing sliding window in the Internet?
David P. Reed
dpreed at reed.com
Fri Jan 4 12:27:30 PST 2008
CUBIC is enabled in Fedora 8. However Fedora 8 is an experimental
distribution, at least it is not viewed as "supported" by RedHat or any
Has the IETF become the protocol police?
I do recall suggesting that the non-standard protocol called NAT was
shipped by commercial companies like Microsoft and some "home router"
hardware vendors while I was personally screaming and yelling about its
non-standards track status. And those companies had the balls to say
that because there was an RFC, it was a "standard" in their advertising.
IETF refused to get its lawyers to sue the vendors who claimed the *lie*
that NAT was a standard.
I am not sure that gives it the standing to bar use of "experimental"
software on the public Internet.
Joe Touch wrote:
> Lloyd Wood wrote:
>> At Friday 04/01/2008 07:53 -0800, Joe Touch wrote:
>>>> not aware of many Linux developers listening to this list. People
>>>> there DO listen to good points so it is worth discussing there.
>>> FWIW, if they DO listen to good points, why isn't the mere fact that
>>> these protocols are Experimental not a sufficient point?
>> because linux development, like all development, is itself experimental in nature.
> We're not talking about a variant that existed in someone's lab under
> controlled conditions. We're talking about public distributions.
>> The point about the difference between development and distribution
>> has been made previously by Reed.
> I'm talking about distros deploying experimental protocols in the wild.
>> (The problem of distinguishing between
>> development and distribution only really occurs once you have a large
>> userbase of non-developers. And doesn't the name Request For Comments
>> itself sound experimental?)
> Not when the label says "experiment" or "standards track" ;-)
>>> If they're
>>> going to play with fire, they ought to seek out their own fire training
>>> IMO, not expect others to keep bailing them out when the get burned.
>> Do you have examples of 'bailing out' to share?
> IMO, fixing getting CUBIC out of default distros is one.
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